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| − | While I encourage folks to experiment here, your Programming Notes and other comments should really be entered into another article and then linked from the PRO-97 and PRO-2055 (the 97's base/mobile version) articles where more folks might have a chance to read it. If you need help in doing this, please let me know.
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| − | The reason is that very few - if any - people know the User Talk pages even exist. The chances of folks reading this here are extremely low. These Talk pages are, I suspect, used in case the hosting site has no forums - and here on RR, we have numerous such forums. You could even announce this new article in the Radio Shack forum; that way, folks will know it's here Or are you using this area just as a place holder for another article? I'm willing to bet that's what you're doing here. That's fine.
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| − | Opinions are welcome on talk and discussion pages, but by policy WikiPedia articles are written with a neutral point of view, as stated in the Quick Guide that you so nicely linked below. Therefore,
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| − | 73s and thanx Mike
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| | FYI - [[Quick guide to editing pages]] | | FYI - [[Quick guide to editing pages]] |
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| | == VHF/UHF LTR Programming Notes == | | == VHF/UHF LTR Programming Notes == |
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| | *FB8 (Centralized Trunk Relay) and MO8 (Centralized Mobile Relay) simulcast. | | *FB8 (Centralized Trunk Relay) and MO8 (Centralized Mobile Relay) simulcast. |
| | *Repeater numbers wil be plus or minus four. (R03 R07 R11) | | *Repeater numbers wil be plus or minus four. (R03 R07 R11) |
| − | *More than one LTR groups can programmed in the same bank. (Group "A" is R03, R07 and R11 and Group "B" is R06, R10 and R14. Both can be programed into the same bank) | + | *More than one LTR group can programmed in the same bank. (Group "A" is R03, R07 and R11 and Group "B" is R06, R10 and R14. Both can be programed into the same bank unless there are different freqs on the same channel.) |
| | *Conventional frequencies can be programmed before, in the middle and after LTR freqs. | | *Conventional frequencies can be programmed before, in the middle and after LTR freqs. |
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| | === TO DO === | | === TO DO === |
| − | #Find-out which is better reception FB8 or MO8 and take out the other. | + | # List finished. Listen and enjoy. |
| − | #What to do with left over freqs that didn't have an R# - Site 2 has 5 freqs that are 5 MHz above the other five freqs. ***Program into there own bank and see. ***Not active
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| − | #Check new open talk groups are showing id - if not try moving named talk groups in front of general talkgroup id numbers.
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| − | #Program unused freqs as FM into the same bank.
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| − | == My Radio Shack experience == | + | == Messages == |
| − | Please feel free to laugh at anytime while reading this. At the time I couldn't but now I just shake my head and chuckle because I can proudly declare myself a Radio Shack survivor.
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| | + | === Admin [[User:Mikeag| Mikeag]] === |
| | + | Hi HeartThrobs - welcome to the RR Wiki. |
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| − | Since Best Buy opened in our area I go to them if they have the product I need. I started shopping their instead of Radio Shack after my first time in the store. I really like the their product knowledge versus Radio Shack's salespeople. Since Best Buy doesn't sell scanners I went to the [http://www.radioshack.com/corp/index.jsp?page=storeLocator&zip=50704| Waterloo Radio Shack] and found out why I don't miss them.
| + | While I encourage folks to experiment here, your Programming Notes and other comments should really be entered into another article and then linked from the PRO-97 and PRO-2055 (the 97's base/mobile version) articles where more folks might have a chance to read it. If you need help in doing this, please let me know. |
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| − | I had been contemplating buying a new scanner after I read online some [[Pro-94]] keyboard shortcuts and some how managed to clear every frequency from the scanner and had to manually reprogram it. I bought my first Radio Shack scanner at a garage sale in the mid 80s and have always liked them. I made the trip to the [http://www.radioshack.com/corp/index.jsp?page=storeLocator&zip=50704| Waterloo Radio Shack] to see what they had. I decided on the [[Pro-97]] and was told the price was the price it would be all Summer.
| + | The reason is that very few - if any - people know the User Talk pages even exist. The chances of folks reading this here are extremely low. These Talk pages are, I suspect, used in case the hosting site has no forums - and here on RR, we have numerous such forums. You could even announce this new article in the Radio Shack forum; that way, folks will know it's here Or are you using this area just as a place holder for another article? I'm willing to bet that's what you're doing here. That's fine. |
| | + | When you're ready to puhlish it, and link it to the PRO-97 and 2055 articles, please place the article in the Programming Shortcuts Category. Our [[New Article Guidelines]] can give you the syntax of the command, where it should go (there's a link to MediaWiki's page on this subject) and what categories we now have. |
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| − | Several weeks later I had an opportunity to sell my [[Pro-94]] and was planning a trip to Minneapolis so I decided it was time to purchase the [[Pro-97]] so I could easily program the Minneapolis frequecies into the scanner using what I was told was the included software.
| + | Opinions are welcome on talk and discussion pages, but by policy WikiPedia articles are written with a neutral point of view, as stated in the Quick Guide that you so nicely linked below. Therefore, |
| | + | please do move your opinions to the PRO-97 and 2055 talk pages. |
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| − | I returned to the [http://www.radioshack.com/corp/index.jsp?page=storeLocator&zip=50704| Waterloo store] to find the price was up to $199. The new salesperson (Javier (sp?) (J A on the receipt)) told me that was the sale price before and it was off sale. I had been reading about the [[Pro-97]] on RadioReference so I asked again if the software to put the frequencies on the scanner was included and was told yes again. I thought maybe I had read old fourum posts and Radio Shack started including it with the scanner...cool one less thing to purchase. Of course, they didn't have any in-stock and asked if I wanted him to order it online. I had to ask him to call the other local store (In [http://www.radioshack.com/corp/index.jsp?page=storeLocator&zip=50704| Cedar Falls] which is 10 miles away) to see if they had any in stock. He did and told me they didn't. It was Monday and I was leaving on Saturday for Minneapolis, he said it would take 3 to 5 days so I said go ahead. (Any bets on if it made it?) That night I also bought the [http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2177609| USB Scanner Programming Cable] and a new [http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2049710| power adapter] and an [http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062425| adapter plug] that I could leave packed for when I travel. Javier was nice enough to get them for me. I also had to ask them if the scanner went on sale if I could get the sale price. (Want to make another bet on if it goes on sale before 26JULY2007?)
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| − | The next day I called the [http://www.radioshack.com/corp/index.jsp?page=storeLocator&zip=50704| Cedar Falls Radio Shack] just to check and sure enough they had the [[Pro-97]] in-stock. I asked the salesperson what the + and - signs on the display are for. He told me that means they are opened or closed. When I asked what that meant. He said,"It's more open than closed." (Trying asking your local salesperson how to program [[EDACS]] and see what they say.) I was told that they would just clone it with their scanner. (I wish I would have asked him to show me how to program it.) At least he was smart enough to know that the frequency uploading software wasn't included. I was upset and told him about my experience at the [http://www.radioshack.com/corp/index.jsp?page=storeLocator&zip=50704| Waterloo store] and he was nice enough to tell me that he had filled in at that store and saw the same salesperson doing the same as he did to me. (How nice of him to confide in me.) I also asked the salesperson that talked to Javier the night before if he told him that they had them in stock. He said that he told him they didn't because he overlooked them because they were way in the back. But I find it amazing that less than 15 hours later they are in view.
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| − | I purchased the scanner and was told I also got a free year of Technical Support and Frequency Programming Experience. (If programming the [[Pro-97]] was anything like learning to program EDACS into the [[Pro-94]] I knew I would probably need it because the manual won't be any help.) I had them clone the scanner with theirs and of course their clone didn't have many good frequencies. I went home read some more on RadioReference and purchased [http://www.starrsoft.com/software/win97/default.asp| Win97]. (I highly recommend Win97) I read the manual and found out it's as big of a joke as the Pro-94 manual......back to RadioReference to find out the finer points of the [[Pro-97]].
| + | 73s and thanx Mike |
| − | | + | Wiki Administrator, RR |
| − | Back to the free year of Technical Support and Frequency Programming Assistance. On my way home I got to thinking about receiving a "'''free year'''". Isn't customer support a part of good customer service and shouldn't it be free? Especially for a large corporation like the [http://www.radioshackcorporation.com/index.html| Radio Shack Corporation]. When I got home and looked at the receipt not only do they charge you for Technical Support and Frequency Programming Assistance the call is long distance unless you live in Dayton, Ohio. Stay tuned! I'll call it and see what happens.
| + | <br><sub>Above message posted by [[User:Mikeag]] 0156 13 July 2007</sub> |
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| − | Bet you thought the saga ends here......wrong. I decided to try the new [http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2049710| power adapter] I bought to check that it worked before I left. When I went to plug it into the scanner I found out Javier had picked-out the wrong [http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062425| adapter plug]. Another trip to the [http://www.radioshack.com/corp/index.jsp?page=storeLocator&zip=50704| Waterloo Radio Shack] just to find out they were sold out and was told it would be at least two weeks before they got any in. I figured they got merchandise in once a week. It was Thursday (I was last in the Waterloo store on Monday) and out of curiosity on my way out the door I asked if they had gotten any [[Pro-97]]s in and they had. (another chunk of my hair is now missing) I almost forgot to let you know...the scanner did come in the mail on Friday.
| + | :Mike, |
| − | | + | :Thanks for you input at [[User_talk:HeartThrobs]]. |
| − | I'm happy with the scanner and [http://www.starrsoft.com/software/win97/default.asp| Win97]. It's nice to have 1000 scanning channels instead of two groups of 500. I miss some features of the [[Pro-94]]. Especially being able to have a priority set for each frequency bank and each talk group bank
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| − | *The sales staff at our two local Radio Shacks don't have a clue what their talking about.
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| − | * [http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2177609| USB Scanner Programming Cable $29.99] - I guess the blinking lights make it worth $29.99!
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| − | * [http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2049710| 9V Ac-to-DC power adapter $16.97] and [http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062425| adapter plug $5.79] for a total of $22.76. It would be worth the price if it had blinking lights!
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| − | * [http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2102470| Deluxe Antenna for Handheld Scanner $19.99] - Radio Shack put an inferior antenna on the Pro-97 so they can make more money. The stock antenna from my UHF/VHF Pro-34 works better on the Pro-97 in the 800 MHz band than the Pro-97 stock antenna.<BR>Everyone knows the Pro-97 stock antenna is a joke including Radio Shack. If you look at Radio Shack's website they sell a [http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2102470| deluxe antenna]. In its description it says, "'''Better reception than stock antennas.'''" Personally, I would sell the best product possible.
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| − | If anybody ever reads this please feel free to add your story.
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| − | --[[User:HeartThrobs|HeartThrobs]] 02:16, 3 July 2007 (CDT)
| + | :The Radio Shack story is just my own little rant. That still is not finished. It will never have a [[NPOV]] so it won't reach article status. The rest of the notes are my personal notes as I was trying to figure out programming my first LTR system and for future reference since we don't have many LTR systems in my area. There are plenty of articles and forums on programming trunk scanners, Radio Shack, etc. I have read many articles and forums and will contribute when possible. |
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| − | PS - Had a great trip to Minneapolis including seeing the motel's automatic sprinkler spraying inside a car that had its window part way down and sunroof open and remembering that the motel didn't ask for my license plate number when I checked in. (Yes, I did say something to the front desk and yes, I was told there was nothing they could do.) I know it shouldn't affect the leather seats in the car. Being from Iowa I know cows don't shrink in the rain. :)
| + | :As a suggestion - you can sign your messages and I believe it is in preferences that you can make a signature to include that you are a RRWiki admin. This will make it easier for people to respond to your messages. To sign your message you can click on the second button from the right above the edit box. |
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| − | Revised by [[User:HeartThrobs|HeartThrobs]] 15:09, 3 July 2007 (CDT) (enough for now)
| + | :Sincerely - --[[User:HeartThrobs|HeartThrobs]] 21:51, 12 July 2007 (CDT) |
| | + | <sub>Reply also posted at [[Usertalk:Mikeag]]</sub> |
FYI - Quick guide to editing pages
VHF/UHF LTR Programming Notes
FCC License Class -
- Site: 1 Antenna: 1 Class: FB08 (Centralized Trunk Relay) Mobiles: 1 <Five frequencies>
- Site: 2 Antenna: 1 Class: MO8 (Centralized Mobile Relay) Mobiles: 250 <Ten frequencies>
- Site: 3 Antenna: 1 Class: FX1 (Control) Mobiles: 5 <Five frequencies>
- My recommendation - Buy Win97 it will make this process a lot easier.
- Enter all freqs into one bank as FM and listen for EDACS control channel noise or beep at the end of a transmission, LTR sync pulse or Motorola ??? noise.
- Enter general LTR Talkgroup numbers. 0-00-000 to 0-19-000
- Remove FM freqs.
- Enter (as LTR) each license class of frequencies into a different bank. (If you change frequncies to EDACS mode you will be able to hear what is being transmitted.)
- Open each bank. (+) (Radio Shack Pro97)
- Manual each channel to get R# in the bottom right corner.
- Program R# into the banks channel number. (R03 into channel 03 - R19 into channel 19)
- Program specific talkgroups.
NOTES
Useful information I learned or found around RR
LTR Talk Group IDs
- Example System:
- 462.5125: R03 0-03-013 and 0-03-015.
- 461.8875: 0-01-255 R01
- 463.5625: 1-01-236
The first digit in a talk group ID is the Area bit. It will be a 0 or a 1 All frequencies in the system should have the same area value so 463.5625 is a different system. There could be more than one system at the site or you are picking up another system using the same frequency.
The second value is the home repeater of the group. It usually matches the repeater number (or LCN) being used but if the home repeater is busy another repeater will be used.
The third value is the group id. 255 is used for idle (no active group). Group 253 or 255 on the home repeater represents the repeater number being used and does not get moved to another repeater. Groups 253 and 255 can be the only activity on some otherwise quiet channels.
462.5125 This is repeater 3 and a home repeater
461.8875 This is repeater 1. You should also see the 0-03-xxx groups here sometimes when 462.5125 gets busy and another group wants to use the system.
463.5625 Keep listening and see if any transmissions with an area of 0 show up.
- Look for radio service codes IG, YG, YK or any of the 800/900 MHz radio service
- FB8 and MO8 as listed on the FCC ULS Database are in the correct Repeater order. Not sure if this is always the case.
- FB8 (Centralized Trunk Relay) and MO8 (Centralized Mobile Relay) simulcast.
- Repeater numbers wil be plus or minus four. (R03 R07 R11)
- More than one LTR group can programmed in the same bank. (Group "A" is R03, R07 and R11 and Group "B" is R06, R10 and R14. Both can be programed into the same bank unless there are different freqs on the same channel.)
- Conventional frequencies can be programmed before, in the middle and after LTR freqs.
TO DO
- List finished. Listen and enjoy.
Messages
Hi HeartThrobs - welcome to the RR Wiki.
While I encourage folks to experiment here, your Programming Notes and other comments should really be entered into another article and then linked from the PRO-97 and PRO-2055 (the 97's base/mobile version) articles where more folks might have a chance to read it. If you need help in doing this, please let me know.
The reason is that very few - if any - people know the User Talk pages even exist. The chances of folks reading this here are extremely low. These Talk pages are, I suspect, used in case the hosting site has no forums - and here on RR, we have numerous such forums. You could even announce this new article in the Radio Shack forum; that way, folks will know it's here Or are you using this area just as a place holder for another article? I'm willing to bet that's what you're doing here. That's fine.
When you're ready to puhlish it, and link it to the PRO-97 and 2055 articles, please place the article in the Programming Shortcuts Category. Our New Article Guidelines can give you the syntax of the command, where it should go (there's a link to MediaWiki's page on this subject) and what categories we now have.
Opinions are welcome on talk and discussion pages, but by policy WikiPedia articles are written with a neutral point of view, as stated in the Quick Guide that you so nicely linked below. Therefore,
please do move your opinions to the PRO-97 and 2055 talk pages.
Your user page is your own, and you are more than welcome to fix that any way you wish.
Joining the forums costs you nothing, in case you might not know.
73s and thanx Mike
Wiki Administrator, RR
Above message posted by User:Mikeag 0156 13 July 2007
Reply
- Mike,
- Thanks for you input at User_talk:HeartThrobs.
- The Radio Shack story is just my own little rant. That still is not finished. It will never have a NPOV so it won't reach article status. The rest of the notes are my personal notes as I was trying to figure out programming my first LTR system and for future reference since we don't have many LTR systems in my area. There are plenty of articles and forums on programming trunk scanners, Radio Shack, etc. I have read many articles and forums and will contribute when possible.
- As a suggestion - you can sign your messages and I believe it is in preferences that you can make a signature to include that you are a RRWiki admin. This will make it easier for people to respond to your messages. To sign your message you can click on the second button from the right above the edit box.
- Sincerely - --HeartThrobs 21:51, 12 July 2007 (CDT)
Reply also posted at Usertalk:Mikeag